Comments on: ASPAC Notes: Demographics and States http://www.froginawell.net/china/2005/06/aspac-notes-demographics-and-states/ The China History Group Blog Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:35:30 -0800 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: Jonathan Dresner http://www.froginawell.net/china/2005/06/aspac-notes-demographics-and-states/comment-page-1/#comment-16 Jonathan Dresner Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:41:04 +0000 http://www.froginawell.net/china/?p=15#comment-16 Mr. Hatcher is a Russia specialist, so the latter would be more likely, but his focus is more on economic development than on attitudes. The paper doesn't really go much beyond RFE development, and there's more to do on the basic project -- for example, studying the extent to which Russian impressions about the numbers of Chinese in the region are accurate; getting data from Chinese about their attitudes -- before it goes to broader questions. I agree, though: those are both interesting questions. Mr. Hatcher is a Russia specialist, so the latter would be more likely, but his focus is more on economic development than on attitudes. The paper doesn’t really go much beyond RFE development, and there’s more to do on the basic project — for example, studying the extent to which Russian impressions about the numbers of Chinese in the region are accurate; getting data from Chinese about their attitudes — before it goes to broader questions.

I agree, though: those are both interesting questions.

]]> By: Alan Baumler http://www.froginawell.net/china/2005/06/aspac-notes-demographics-and-states/comment-page-1/#comment-15 Alan Baumler Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:16:09 +0000 http://www.froginawell.net/china/?p=15#comment-15 The Hatcher paper sounds quite interesting. Having not been there I have two questions. -Does he do any comparative stuff on how this reaction to Chinese compares to others in Indonesia or wherever, i.e. fitting it into a global (and maybe historical) Yellow Peril context? -More interestingly, does he fit it into "Russian" attitudes towards other outsiders? I ask because it reminded me of a story from the early 90's or so, which I read or heard from a colleague. Some Russian academic/medical types were lamenting the state of post-reform society, and particularly how grubby black marketers with pushcarts were making more money than they were. When the America suggested that they get a pushcart, open a clinic (or, in Chinese terms jump into the sea) they replied "Do we look like Africans or something?" I suspect that the Chinese are getting attached to a lot of anti-commercial attitudes as well as crime and job-taking. I realize that these are big questions for a single paper, but I was wondering where he was taking this project. The Hatcher paper sounds quite interesting. Having not been there I have two questions.

-Does he do any comparative stuff on how this reaction to Chinese compares to others in Indonesia or wherever, i.e. fitting it into a global (and maybe historical) Yellow Peril context?

-More interestingly, does he fit it into “Russian” attitudes towards other outsiders? I ask because it reminded me of a story from the early 90′s or so, which I read or heard from a colleague. Some Russian academic/medical types were lamenting the state of post-reform society, and particularly how grubby black marketers with pushcarts were making more money than they were. When the America suggested that they get a pushcart, open a clinic (or, in Chinese terms jump into the sea) they replied “Do we look like Africans or something?” I suspect that the Chinese are getting attached to a lot of anti-commercial attitudes as well as crime and job-taking.

I realize that these are big questions for a single paper, but I was wondering where he was taking this project.

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