Comments on: Braudel in Shanghai http://www.froginawell.net/china/2006/09/braudel-in-shanghai/ The China History Group Blog Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:35:30 -0800 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: Alan Baumler http://www.froginawell.net/china/2006/09/braudel-in-shanghai/comment-page-1/#comment-5083 Alan Baumler Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:35:29 +0000 http://www.froginawell.net/china/2006/09/braudel-in-shanghai/#comment-5083 Actually, I sort of do hope they leave out Hongwu and Yongle. Or at least that there a lot fewer emperors in there. I have not done anything like a systematic survey of Chinese textbooks, but those I have seen are usually the old list of disconnected emperors and events to be memorized. There is no –story- in the history, no analysis. Well, in the 19th and 20th centuries you get the imperialism and revolution stories, but that is not much help, at least the way it is done. Not that I envy them their job or think I could do it better, but I think their approach seems to be 1.) toss out the old crap 2.)Publish 3.) Figure out new narrative. I might put 3 before 2, but time pressure and all that. Comments are fine for me. You still having trouble? Actually, I sort of do hope they leave out Hongwu and Yongle. Or at least that there a lot fewer emperors in there. I have not done anything like a systematic survey of Chinese textbooks, but those I have seen are usually the old list of disconnected emperors and events to be memorized. There is no –story- in the history, no analysis. Well, in the 19th and 20th centuries you get the imperialism and revolution stories, but that is not much help, at least the way it is done. Not that I envy them their job or think I could do it better, but I think their approach seems to be 1.) toss out the old crap 2.)Publish 3.) Figure out new narrative. I might put 3 before 2, but time pressure and all that.

Comments are fine for me. You still having trouble?

]]> By: Jon Fernquest http://www.froginawell.net/china/2006/09/braudel-in-shanghai/comment-page-1/#comment-5073 Jon Fernquest Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:35:38 +0000 http://www.froginawell.net/china/2006/09/braudel-in-shanghai/#comment-5073 Hope they don't just drop the Hongwu and Yongle emperors of the Ming dynasty as well. They both exerted quite an influence all the way to Yunnan's border with Burma...mediated by Braudelian forces of geography nonetheless, yet they still exerted a quite personal influence. I've been writing a paper on this influence and the Ming inter-regnum of 1398-1402 is a very noticeable breaking point in Chinese history. (By the way the index bar on the right of the blog is blocking comments. In fact comments are freezing up, acting very strange indeed. Hope they don’t just drop the Hongwu and Yongle emperors of the Ming dynasty as well.

They both exerted quite an influence all the way to Yunnan’s border with Burma…mediated by Braudelian forces of geography nonetheless, yet they still exerted a quite personal influence.

I’ve been writing a paper on this influence and the Ming inter-regnum of 1398-1402 is a very noticeable breaking point in Chinese history. (By the way the index bar on the right of the blog is blocking comments.

In fact comments are freezing up, acting very strange indeed.

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