Comments on: Such are the guidelines for students http://www.froginawell.net/china/2006/12/such-are-the-guidelines-for-students/ The China History Group Blog Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:35:30 -0800 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: J Chan http://www.froginawell.net/china/2006/12/such-are-the-guidelines-for-students/comment-page-1/#comment-16459 J Chan Sun, 24 Dec 2006 22:59:29 +0000 http://www.froginawell.net/china/2006/12/such-are-the-guidelines-for-students/#comment-16459 'According to Rickett' I do not agree with Rickett's translation. The Chinese verbs in the passage quoted here have mostly been translated into the English present tense. I should think any serious scholar of Chinese would realise that this showed Rickett failed to capture the mood of the verbs in Chinese. ‘According to Rickett’

I do not agree with Rickett’s translation. The Chinese verbs in the passage quoted here have mostly been translated into the English present tense. I should think any serious scholar of Chinese would realise that this showed Rickett failed to capture the mood of the verbs in Chinese.

]]> By: Alan Baumler http://www.froginawell.net/china/2006/12/such-are-the-guidelines-for-students/comment-page-1/#comment-15009 Alan Baumler Sat, 16 Dec 2006 04:15:03 +0000 http://www.froginawell.net/china/2006/12/such-are-the-guidelines-for-students/#comment-15009 This was actually a pretty influential text. The Book of Rites has about the same text, according to Rickett, and from whatever source it seems to have had a lot of influence on later rules about schools (Zhuxi's in particular.) How well any of these rules were followed is of course hard to know. Note that the students are commended for not offering violence to their teachers, so presumably the actual behavior of students was a bit less ideal than one might have hoped. I would not really call this wishful thinking, however. It laid out a set of ritual behaviors that were supposed to lead teachers and students into a proper relationship. This was actually a pretty influential text. The Book of Rites has about the same text, according to Rickett, and from whatever source it seems to have had a lot of influence on later rules about schools (Zhuxi’s in particular.) How well any of these rules were followed is of course hard to know. Note that the students are commended for not offering violence to their teachers, so presumably the actual behavior of students was a bit less ideal than one might have hoped. I would not really call this wishful thinking, however. It laid out a set of ritual behaviors that were supposed to lead teachers and students into a proper relationship.

]]> By: J Chan http://www.froginawell.net/china/2006/12/such-are-the-guidelines-for-students/comment-page-1/#comment-14957 J Chan Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:15:09 +0000 http://www.froginawell.net/china/2006/12/such-are-the-guidelines-for-students/#comment-14957 Is there any evidence that this was practised to the word in this text? How many students did each teacher have? Was this the norm at say from village levels all the way to the imperial family? Wealthy families took live-in private tutors, did these wealthy brats really ‘served’ their teachers as in the text? Or was this just wishful thinking on behalf of the teaching profession (which some teachers around the world may still fantasize about even now)? Is there any evidence that this was practised to the word in this text? How many students did each teacher have? Was this the norm at say from village levels all the way to the imperial family? Wealthy families took live-in private tutors, did these wealthy brats really ‘served’ their teachers as in the text? Or was this just wishful thinking on behalf of the teaching profession (which some teachers around the world may still fantasize about even now)?

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