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	<title>Comments on: Lies, Damn Lies, and Chinese “Lies That Bind”</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 00:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very thoughtful piece of writing.Thank you.

However, I think the more damaging lies on the run up to the Olympics have concerned rights to protest, press freedom, internet access. The opening ceremony &#039;illusion&#039; doesn&#039;t really hurt anyone, although the gymnasts - through no fault of their own - must now live a lifetime lie unless one of them comes clean.

And there are far greater areas of concern than those connected with the recent Games. What of the appalling quality of reporting that passes for journalism in China? And, on a related note, the history printed in school textbooks is so selective (particularly CCP era history) that it can scarcely be regarded as having any connection with the truth.

I&#039;ve lived in China for some time and sense a greater lack of moral values here than other countries that I&#039;ve called home, and it&#039;s not good enough to pass it off as an example of cultural relativism. Unfortunately, it seems to be working for them, so I don&#039;t see things changing anytime soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very thoughtful piece of writing.Thank you.</p>
<p>However, I think the more damaging lies on the run up to the Olympics have concerned rights to protest, press freedom, internet access. The opening ceremony &#8216;illusion&#8217; doesn&#8217;t really hurt anyone, although the gymnasts &#8211; through no fault of their own &#8211; must now live a lifetime lie unless one of them comes clean.</p>
<p>And there are far greater areas of concern than those connected with the recent Games. What of the appalling quality of reporting that passes for journalism in China? And, on a related note, the history printed in school textbooks is so selective (particularly CCP era history) that it can scarcely be regarded as having any connection with the truth.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve lived in China for some time and sense a greater lack of moral values here than other countries that I&#8217;ve called home, and it&#8217;s not good enough to pass it off as an example of cultural relativism. Unfortunately, it seems to be working for them, so I don&#8217;t see things changing anytime soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Frog in a Well - The China History Group Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.froginawell.net/china/2008/08/lies-damn-lies-and-chinese-%e2%80%9clies-that-bind%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-127870</link>
		<dc:creator>Frog in a Well - The China History Group Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the fascination for me is how Sonnenfeld echoes the argument my piece on &#8220;Lies.&#8221; (August 28) which talks about the role of concepts such as authenticity, individualism, and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the fascination for me is how Sonnenfeld echoes the argument my piece on &#8220;Lies.&#8221; (August 28) which talks about the role of concepts such as authenticity, individualism, and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: C. W. Hayford</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 06:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam Crane&#039;s &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://uselesstree.typepad.com/useless_tree/2008/09/the-politics-of-virtue-ethics.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Politics of Virtue Ethics&lt;/a&gt;&quot; at &lt;strong&gt;Useless Tree&lt;/strong&gt; comments on the difference between &quot;virtue ethics,&quot; &quot;deontological,&quot; and &quot;consequentialism.&quot; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam Crane&#8217;s &#8220;<a href="http://uselesstree.typepad.com/useless_tree/2008/09/the-politics-of-virtue-ethics.html" rel="nofollow">The Politics of Virtue Ethics</a>&#8221; at <strong>Useless Tree</strong> comments on the difference between &#8220;virtue ethics,&#8221; &#8220;deontological,&#8221; and &#8220;consequentialism.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy6</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 21:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting post.

But the accusation of lying during the Games would have gone down much better if not for the hypocrisy of it. The media had jumped up and down over lip-synching in BJ while Sydney was given barely a shrug.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting post.</p>
<p>But the accusation of lying during the Games would have gone down much better if not for the hypocrisy of it. The media had jumped up and down over lip-synching in BJ while Sydney was given barely a shrug.</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; China: Chinese Lies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online &#187; China: Chinese Lies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 03:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] W. Hayford from Chinese History group blog goes into various literature sources for discussing the &#8220;Chinese character&#8221; in relation to &#8220;face&#8221; and &#8220;lie&#8221;. It gives some background about the various Olympic &#8220;lies&#8221; happened.    Posted by Oiwan [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] W. Hayford from Chinese History group blog goes into various literature sources for discussing the &#8220;Chinese character&#8221; in relation to &#8220;face&#8221; and &#8220;lie&#8221;. It gives some background about the various Olympic &#8220;lies&#8221; happened.    Posted by Oiwan [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 01:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very helpful post.

We have a Taiwanese, international-school-raised, American-married friend here in Tianjin who sometimes acts as something of a cultural &#039;double agent&#039; between Chinese and foreigners.  Americans accept her as a American (her English is flawless and worldview Western), but she can do the same thing in Chinese with groups of Mainlanders.

She says that when her Chinese friends complain about their Western friends, one of their biggest annoyances is being accused of dishonesty by foreigners.  To them, such foreigners are clearly in the wrong.

I blogged about &#039;Chinese lying,&#039; though with an emphasis on personal relationships, the relationship between words and meaing, and communication styles: &lt;a href=&quot;http://chinahopelive.net/2008/03/17/to-lie-or-not-to-lie&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;To &quot;lie&quot; or not to &quot;lie&quot;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very helpful post.</p>
<p>We have a Taiwanese, international-school-raised, American-married friend here in Tianjin who sometimes acts as something of a cultural &#8216;double agent&#8217; between Chinese and foreigners.  Americans accept her as a American (her English is flawless and worldview Western), but she can do the same thing in Chinese with groups of Mainlanders.</p>
<p>She says that when her Chinese friends complain about their Western friends, one of their biggest annoyances is being accused of dishonesty by foreigners.  To them, such foreigners are clearly in the wrong.</p>
<p>I blogged about &#8216;Chinese lying,&#8217; though with an emphasis on personal relationships, the relationship between words and meaing, and communication styles: <a href="http://chinahopelive.net/2008/03/17/to-lie-or-not-to-lie" rel="nofollow">To &#8220;lie&#8221; or not to &#8220;lie&#8221;</a></p>
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