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		<title>This is your historical analogy on drugs</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 01:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alan Baumler</dc:creator>
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Apparently Google is just like the British East India Company. Or so at least the toadies of the CCP would have you believe.  According to People&#8217;s Daily,  Google is attempting to corrupt China with information, just as the British tried to corrupt it with opium. In the colonial era, the British East India Company used [...]]]></description>
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<p>Apparently Google is just like the British East India Company. Or so at least the toadies of the CCP would have you believe.  According to <a href="http://cmp.hku.hk/2011/03/06/10596/">People&#8217;s Daily</a>,  Google is attempting to<a href="http://news.qq.com/a/20110304/001877.htm"> corrupt</a> China with information, just as the British tried to corrupt it with opium.</p>
<blockquote><p>In the colonial era, the British East India Company used the monopolization of trade in the colonies to traffic opium and assist Britain in building its hegemony. In the Internet era, Google uses its monopoly of Internet information search to traffic American values and assist American in building its hegemony.</p></blockquote>
<p>Besides the obvious historical errors (it was not John Company who attacked China with warships in the Opium Wars, but the British Navy) the historical analogy does not work the way the author would like to claim. It is indeed true that both Google and the British East India Company were foreign firms, but in fact both of them had success in China not because they marched in and forced people to buy their goods at gunpoint, but because Chinese people wanted to buy what they were selling.  (Leaving out the fact that Google gives it away for free.) The piece points out that Baidu has held on to the bulk of the Chinese search market, so I guess this would make Baidu domestic Chinese opium, maybe a nice Yunnan. <sup><a href="http://www.froginawell.net/china/2011/03/this-is-your-historical-analogy-on-drugs/#footnote_0_2145" id="identifier_0_2145" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="Goes well with fava beans">1</a></sup> Where is the Carnival of Bad History when you need it?</p>
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<p>Via <a href="http://www.facebook.com/#!/granitestudio">Jeremiah Jeene</a></p>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_2145" class="footnote">Goes well with fava beans</li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Sinai -etic analogies</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 01:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alan Baumler</dc:creator>
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Jeremiah Jenne has a post up at Fallows1 where he looks at the possibility of a Jasmine Revolution in China. He concludes that it is not that likely, as the CCP is a bit more hip to the dangers of that sort of thing, given the history of protest in China, especially May 4th and [...]]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/02/china-not-quite-a-revolution/71510/">Jeremiah Jenne</a> has a post up at Fallows<sup><a href="http://www.froginawell.net/china/2011/02/sinai-etic-analogies/#footnote_0_2137" id="identifier_0_2137" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="Yes, a post at Fallows site at the Atlantic. Mark Twain published in the Atlantic. It&amp;#8217;s only a matter of time before Jeremiah&amp;#8217;s friends get a call from VH-1&amp;#8242;s Behind the Music about the young, idealistic, talented, scholar-blogger who may still exist somewhere inside the bloated mass of excess and degradation he will have become by about 2014 ">1</a></sup> where he looks at the possibility of a Jasmine Revolution in China. He concludes that it is not that likely, as the CCP is a bit more hip to the dangers of that sort of thing, given the history of protest in China, especially May 4<sup>th</sup> and the date nothing happened in 1989. I think he&#8217;s right about that, but I think the reasons why become clearer if you think about analogies for what is happening in the Middle East. Some people are tossing around <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2285696/">1848 in Europe</a>, which works in some respects, but for an Asian analogy I think 1911 and the overthrow of the Qing works somewhat better.<sup><a href="http://www.froginawell.net/china/2011/02/sinai-etic-analogies/#footnote_1_2137" id="identifier_1_2137" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="Obviously I say this with very little real knowledge of what is happening right now in Egypt or Libya, but this is the internet.">2</a></sup> The Qing dynasty was not overthrown by Sun Yat-sen and his band of revolutionaries, but ultimately by the various provincial assemblies the declared for the revolution after the Wuchang uprising. A series of provincial elites decided, sometimes for different reasons, to abandon the Qing.  It is not that surprising that Yuan Shikai became the first effective leader of the new state, since what was happening was not a mass uprising or a tidal wave of democracy but rather one part of the elite dumping the dynasty and quickly establishing a new government. This is pretty clearly what has been happening in<a href="http://bullybloggers.wordpress.com/2011/02/01/why-mubarak-is-out/"> Egypt</a>, with the military choosing to at least get rid of Mubarak, even if they are not sure what will come next. In Libya at least part of the army seems to be standing with the government, and in Morocco all of it. There is even a Twitter/Facebook parallel with the role of the telegraph in spreading news of the revolution in 1911.</p>
<p>Obviously there are lots of differences as well. The Arab World may be a reasonably coherent cultural area, but its countries are not Chinese provinces. Imperialism is still around, but in a very different form. So why does this comparison matter? I think it matters some because the main thing that encouraged elite factions in 1911 to settle their differences quickly was the fear of foreign invasion.  For whatever reasons (and we really can&#8217;t know yet) the Egyptian elite decided fairly quickly that whatever the future would be it would not involve Mubarak or his sons. I can&#8217;t think of anything really forcing a rapid resolution in, say Bahrain, other than the fact that chaos is bad. In 1911 the &#8220;masses in the street&#8221; were the new armies and modern educated people, who conservative modernizers had good reason not to kill. Unfortunately I don&#8217;t see much reason for the rulers of oil states to care how many students or poor people they kill. If a Jasmine Revolution did break out in China it is hard to see how it would lead to a split in the elite, and likely they would be willing to kill as many of the dispossessed as they could afford ammo for. Still, hope springs eternal, and Jasmine Revolution is a good name, even if it does not seem likely to be coming soon.</p>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_2137" class="footnote">Yes, a post at Fallows site at the Atlantic. Mark Twain published in the Atlantic. It&#8217;s only a matter of time before Jeremiah&#8217;s friends get a call from VH-1&#8242;s Behind the Music about the young, idealistic, talented, scholar-blogger who may still exist somewhere inside the bloated mass of excess and degradation he will have become by about 2014 </li><li id="footnote_1_2137" class="footnote">Obviously I say this with very little real knowledge of what is happening right now in Egypt or Libya, but this is the internet.</li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Announcements and Encouragements</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 06:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Dresner</dc:creator>
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While the discussions on the Asia lists have been a bit wooden for a while, other H-Net communities are lively and thriving, and the book reviews are a fantastic resource. Moreover, I know some of the current leadership of H-Net, and I have great confidence that they&#8217;ll take it in interesting directions with new technology [...]]]></description>
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<p>While the discussions on the Asia lists have been a bit wooden for a while, other H-Net communities are lively and thriving, and the book reviews are a fantastic resource. Moreover, I know some of the current leadership of H-Net, and I have great confidence that they&#8217;ll take it in interesting directions with new technology and new paradigms. That said, though the leadership, editors, reviewers and participants are all volunteers, they still need money for technical support, infrastructure and other expenses, and we can&#8217;t rely on state institutions of higher learning for this sort of thing. <a href="https://www.h-net.org/donations/">Donate</a>!</p>
<p>The 2010 Cliopatria Awards for History Blogging <a href="http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/133071.html">nominations are open through November</a>, so there&#8217;s still two weeks to riffle through your archives and pick your best work, and your friends&#8217; best work, and the best stuff off your RSS reader. The categories are, as in the past, Best Individual Blog, Best New Blog, Best Group Blog (which we won back in &#8217;05), Best Series of Posts, Best Single Post, and Best Writer (which Alan Baumler won in &#8217;06). I&#8217;m judging Best New and Group Blog, so we can&#8217;t win that again this year; otherwise, the field for Asianists is wide open! <a href="http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/133071.html">Nominate!</a></p>
<p>The 2011 ASPAC Conference will be a joint event with the WCAAS Conference, to be held at Pomona College, June 17-19, 2011. In a remarkable feat of organization, the <a href="http://www.pomona.edu/pbi/aspac.shtml">Conference website</a> is already live and accepting paper proposals, though the deadline isn&#8217;t until mid-March. The theme is “Asia Rising and the Rise of Asian America” but proposals on all topics in Asian studies are welcome. <a href="http://www.pomona.edu/pbi/aspac%5Cproposal.shtml">Submit!</a> (and let me know if you&#8217;ll be there; we&#8217;ve never had a blogger meet-up at ASPAC before!)</p>
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		<title>AAS Blogging: outsourced</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 05:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Dresner</dc:creator>
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I didn&#8217;t get to any China-specific panels at the AAS, but the good folks at China Beat have a few panel summaries worth taking a look at. You can find some more at Twitter, but not much. Aside from the primitive facilities &#8212; it was $600 to get internet service for a panel presentation, we [...]]]></description>
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<p>I didn&#8217;t get to any China-specific panels at the AAS, but the good folks at <a href="http://www.thechinabeat.org/?p=1763">China Beat have a few panel summaries worth taking a look at</a>. You can find some more at <a href="http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23AAS2010">Twitter</a>, but not much. Aside from the primitive facilities &#8212; it was $600 to get internet service for a panel presentation, we were told; it was $13/day for hotel room internet, and there wasn&#8217;t any wireless in the hotel or convention center &#8212; we just don&#8217;t have a critical mass of tweeting Asianists yet. Just a couple that I&#8217;ve found. I did have a good time meeting <a href="http://twitter.com/javiercha">Javier Cha</a>, though, the first time I&#8217;ve met with someone I met on Twitter!</p>
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		<title>In hot water</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alan Baumler</dc:creator>
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Some of you may know that Old China Hand James Fallows has a bit of a bee in his bonnet about frogs. Specifically he has been waging war against the common trope that if you put a frog in a pot of water and turn up the heat it will just sit there and die [...]]]></description>
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<p>Some of you may know that Old China Hand James Fallows has a bit of a bee in his bonnet about frogs. Specifically he has been <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2010/03/boiled-frog-does-a-surreal-meta-backflip/36934/">waging war </a>against the common trope that if you put a frog in a pot of water and turn up the heat it will just sit there and die without realizing what is happening. (You can see how this metaphor would come in handy.) It&#8217;s not true, however. Frogs will jump out when the water gets hot.</p>
<p>As the leading <a title="Anura" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anura">Anura</a>thological and Sinological blog on the internet (a very small pond) I thought it might be worthwhile to point out that Chinese people used to use a version of this one as well. In Joan Judge&#8217;s <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=rTwEbOrar-gC&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;dq=judge+print+and+politics&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=vr6e2tyf4E&amp;sig=O8MSIsxrHE5z2u8K-jlBQ5H4fdk&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=hceoS-vfKYaBlAfj5IjGAQ&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=1&amp;ved=0CAkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&amp;q=dung%20beetle&amp;f=false">Print and Politics</a>, which deals with the early 20th century journalists associated with the <em>Shibao</em> she finds one of them denouncing the Chinese people for their general lack of readiness for constitutional government, concluding</p>
<p>&#8220;Alas! The Dung beetle eats shit and rejoices. A fish swimming in a kettle forgets the water is boiling&#8221;</p>
<p>A fish in a kettle has fewer options than a frog in a pot, since the fish may not be able to jump out, and even if they did that might not improve their position too much. Still, it seems about the same. Are either of these standard <a href="http://www.chinese-tools.com/chinese/chengyu/dictionary/english/yu2.html">Chengyu</a>? I have not been able to find either, although I have not tried very hard</p>
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		<title>Race in China</title>
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<p>A pretty good <a href="http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/13/chinas-changing-views-on-race/">discussion</a> from the New York Times.</p>
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		<title>Nine Nations</title>
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With Obama in China lots of websites want to say something about China and What It All Means. For example, The Atlantic has a post by Patrick Chovanic that describes the Nine Nations of China, dividing China into nine separate regions, rather than viewing it as a monolithic whole. As Jeremiah Jenne points out this [...]]]></description>
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<p>With Obama in China lots of websites want to say something about China and What It All Means. For example, The Atlantic has a post by Patrick Chovanic that describes the <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/slideshows/china-nations/">Nine Nations of China</a>, dividing China into nine separate regions, rather than viewing it as a monolithic whole. As <a href="http://granitestudio.org/2009/11/17/nine-nations-or-nine-macroregions/">Jeremiah Jenne </a>points out this is such a good idea that William Skinner published a similar map back in 1977. Skinner&#8217;s <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physiographic_macroregions_of_China">macro-regions</a> have become one of the old standbys of China studies (since before I was in school.)</p>
<p>I think Jeremiah is being a bit too kind here in praising Chovanic for <a href="http://granitestudio.org/2009/11/18/nine-nations-or-nine-macroregions-patrick-chovanec-responds/">popularizing Skinner&#8217;s work</a>, and Chovanic is a bit off-base in claiming that Skinner&#8217;s work &#8220;<a href="http://chovanec.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/intellectual-antecedents/">reached similar conclusions</a>&#8221; to his. If you read Chovanic&#8217;s descriptions of the regions he is trying, I think, to present the idea that each of these different areas has its own &#8220;animating force or character that defines each region.&#8221; This sound very fuzzy, and it is not fair to Skinner to compare his methodical work on economic and cultural patterns with data from  &#8220;personal experience traveling, living, and doing business in those places.&#8221; More importantly, Skinner did not see his regions as necessarily having different characters.<sup><a href="http://www.froginawell.net/china/2009/11/nine-ways-of-not-citing-your-souces/#footnote_0_1574" id="identifier_0_1574" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="Skinner argues that the economic geography of traditional China is best understood as a set of relatively distinct regions: nine &amp;#8220;macroregions&amp;#8221; defined by physiography and marketing hierarchies. Each macroregion is a functionally integrated rural-urban system with a relatively densely populated lowland core and a peripheral hinterland. The functional organization of each macroregion is constituted by the marketing hierarchies that link villages, market towns, and cities. Macroregions are distinct from one another; they are separated by relatively sharp boundaries defined by the orientation of local marketing systems. The factors that influence the shape and identity of each macroregion are economic-largely the constraints of transport cost. Thus Skinner provides a framework in terms of which to analyze the distribution of cities, transportation networks, trade networks, and so forth. This framework constitutes Skinner&amp;#8217;s central thesis about the economic geography of China. He offers this thesis, however, in the context of a larger research hypothesis: that noneconomic phenomena (such as the spread of heterodox movements and rebellions, the structure of the imperial bureaucracy&nbsp; and the cultural horizon of the peasant) are better understood when placed within the spatial framework of macroregions. This research hypothesis is of necessity less specific than the central thesis, for Skinner is fully aware of the many diverse factors that influence these noneconomic phenomena. Nonetheless the extended research hypothesis has stimulated much fruitful work on a wide range of phenomena. [summary from Esherick and Little]">1</a></sup> As Esherick and Little pointed out in the <em>Journal of Asian Studies </em>in 1986 this is exactly what Skinner&#8217;s model does not do. <sup><a href="http://www.froginawell.net/china/2009/11/nine-ways-of-not-citing-your-souces/#footnote_1_1574" id="identifier_1_1574" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="Daniel Little and Joseph W. Esherick &amp;#8220;Testing the Testers: A Reply to Barbara Sands and Ramon Myers&amp;#8217;s Critique of G. William Skinner&amp;#8217;s Regional Systems Approach to China&amp;#8221; The Journal of Asian Studies, Vol. 48, No. 1 (Feb., 1989), pp. 90-99">2</a></sup> Skinner was interested in, among other things, in relations between core and peripheral counties inside the individual regions. Beijing -should- seem a lot like Shanghai in some respects because they are both top-level urban areas in their region. Chovanic seems to be suggesting that the only important distinctions are between individual regions. I&#8217;m not really sure this is helful at all. Skinner&#8217;s work had flaws, but it was remarkably robust, yeilding insights into what happened in China from well back into imperial times and forward to the present. Chovanic&#8217;s descriptions don&#8217;t even go back past 1980. Was the Northeast a &#8220;a  Rust Belt of decaying industries with no future.&#8221; in the Qing or the Republic? Although the maps look similar, there is really not much in common between the two projects.</p>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_1574" class="footnote">Skinner argues that the economic geography of traditional China is best understood as a set of relatively distinct regions: nine &#8220;macroregions&#8221; defined by physiography and marketing hierarchies. Each macroregion is a functionally integrated rural-urban system with a relatively densely populated lowland core and a peripheral hinterland. The functional organization of each macroregion is constituted by the marketing hierarchies that link villages, market towns, and cities. Macroregions are distinct from one another; they are separated by relatively sharp boundaries defined by the orientation of local marketing systems. The factors that influence the shape and identity of each macroregion are economic-largely the constraints of transport cost. Thus Skinner provides a framework in terms of which to analyze the distribution of cities, transportation networks, trade networks, and so forth. This framework constitutes Skinner&#8217;s central thesis about the economic geography of China. He offers this thesis, however, in the context of a larger research hypothesis: that noneconomic phenomena (such as the spread of heterodox movements and rebellions, the structure of the imperial bureaucracy  and the cultural horizon of the peasant) are better understood when placed within the spatial framework of macroregions. This research hypothesis is of necessity less specific than the central thesis, for Skinner is fully aware of the many diverse factors that influence these noneconomic phenomena. Nonetheless the extended research hypothesis has stimulated much fruitful work on a wide range of phenomena. [summary from Esherick and Little]</li><li id="footnote_1_1574" class="footnote">Daniel Little and Joseph W. Esherick &#8220;Testing the Testers: A Reply to Barbara Sands and Ramon Myers&#8217;s Critique of G. William Skinner&#8217;s Regional Systems Approach to China&#8221; The Journal of Asian Studies, Vol. 48, No. 1 (Feb., 1989), pp. 90-99</li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>China, where totalitarianism works</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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Daniel Drezner has been watching the coverage of the current show trials in Iran, and points out that they are not working very well in cowing the population, and suggests that in the television age show trials do not work, as it is harder to control the images that people get of the trials. He [...]]]></description>
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<p>Daniel Drezner has been watching the coverage of the<a href="http://drezner.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/08/24/video_killed_the_radio_star_when_it_comes_to_show_trials#comments"> current show trials in Iran</a>, and points out that they are not working very well in cowing the population, and suggests that in the television age show trials do not work, as it is harder to control the images that people get of the trials. He asks &#8220;can show trials ever cement an authoritarian government&#8217;s legitimacy?&#8221; In comments someone suggests the trials of the Gang of Four, which I think is an interesting idea.</p>
<p>The trials of the Gang of Four were seen on <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91LEZxKlkrc">film</a> by Chinese people, although not on television by most I would assume. I think the real difference  is that the medium is not really the message here. Stalin, I believe, did not broadcast his entire show trials on radio, but rather news items about them (or so I assume). Likewise Chinese people (I assume) saw the trials as heavily edited newsreels. The trials themselves did run off track a bit, most famously when Jiang Qing, who was being accused of plotting the Cultural Revolution without Mao&#8217;s knowledge said that she was &#8220;Chairman Mao&#8217;s dog, whoever he said to bite I bit.&#8221; (我是主席的一条狗，主席要我咬谁就咬谁) Chinese people, of course, did not hear this. I don&#8217;t think the problem is so much video vs. audio but the sheer bulk of what you want to show people.  A trial is a major thing with hours and hours of testimony. Stage managing a huge reality show like that is hard, particularly when you are not trying to generate sympathy for the accused, given that the trial itself is set up to make the accuesed look helpless before the power of the state.</p>
<p>Even more important than medium, however, is context. I assume Stalin&#8217;s show trials were effective in convincing people that they really, really did not what to get on Stalin&#8217;s bad side, but they were only one of many things that did this. The trials of the Gang of Four were intended (I think) to convince Chinese people that the CR was really over and to shift blame from Mao and the CCP as a whole to the safely dead or imprisioned. They did this, but the trials, which started in 1980, were the end rather than the beginning of this effort.</p>
<div class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 410px"><img title="Gang of four" src="http://www.iisg.nl/landsberger/images/g404.jpg" alt="1977 Poster criticizing Gang of Four. From Stepan Landsberger " width="400" height="281" /><p class="wp-caption-text">1977 poster criticizing Gang of Four. From Stepan Landsberger </p></div>
<p>The Iranian trials seem to be isolated attempts to convince the Iranian people that the protesters were bad people and that the state is still in control. I don&#8217;t think show trials alone can do that, but they are a useful part of authoritarian political theater if used properly.</p>
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