<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/"
	>

<channel>
	<title>井底之蛙 &#187; Public History</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.froginawell.net/china/category/public-history/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.froginawell.net/china</link>
	<description>The China History Group Blog</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:11:30 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<language>en</language>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1</generator>
		<item>
		<title>Those who keep remembering the past</title>
		<link>http://www.froginawell.net/china/2011/10/those-who-keep-remembering-the-past/</link>
		<comments>http://www.froginawell.net/china/2011/10/those-who-keep-remembering-the-past/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 18:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alan Baumler</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Manchukuo]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Public History]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.froginawell.net/china/?p=2307</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[	
	<span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Adc&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Focoins.info%3Agenerator&amp;rft.title=Those+who+keep+remembering+the+past&amp;rft.aulast=Baumler&amp;rft.aufirst=Alan&amp;rft.subject=Manchukuo&amp;rft.subject=Public+History&amp;rft.source=%E4%BA%95%E5%BA%95%E4%B9%8B%E8%9B%99&amp;rft.date=2011-10-20&amp;rft.type=blogPost&amp;rft.format=text&amp;rft.identifier=http://www.froginawell.net/china/2011/10/those-who-keep-remembering-the-past/&amp;rft.language=English"></span>
I just got an e-mail asking me to subscribe to The Current Digest of the Chinese Press. Given the prices I don&#8217;t think I will, but you might want to consider it, as the free sample issue is pretty good. I would not mind it if they included the Chinese text, or at least proper [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	
	<span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Adc&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Focoins.info%3Agenerator&amp;rft.title=Those+who+keep+remembering+the+past&amp;rft.aulast=Baumler&amp;rft.aufirst=Alan&amp;rft.subject=Manchukuo&amp;rft.subject=Public+History&amp;rft.source=%E4%BA%95%E5%BA%95%E4%B9%8B%E8%9B%99&amp;rft.date=2011-10-20&amp;rft.type=blogPost&amp;rft.format=text&amp;rft.identifier=http://www.froginawell.net/china/2011/10/those-who-keep-remembering-the-past/&amp;rft.language=English"></span>
<p>I just got an e-mail asking me to subscribe to <em>The Current Digest of the Chinese Press. </em>Given the prices I don&#8217;t think I will, but you might want to <a href="http://www.eastviewpress.com/Journals/CurrentDigestChina.aspx ">consider it</a>, as the free sample issue is pretty good. I would not mind it if they included the Chinese text, or at least proper names, and a version I could download to my Kindle would be better than a big ol&#8217; PDF, but they have lots of good stuff.</p>
<p>They have a couple articles on the attempts of Fangzheng County 方正县 (Harbin) in Heilongjiang to attract Japanese tourists. Apparently they built some sort of a monument to Japanese settlers. According to the article the monument cost 700,000 RMB and was in an area restricted to Japanese people. After &#8216;vandals struck the monument&#8217; it was taken down by the government, but according to the paper (新京日報) the matter cannot be left there as the whole affair &#8216;infringed upon taxpayers right to know where their money goes.&#8217; The settlers were of course the Japanese migrants brought to Manchukuo. While &#8220;many of the settlers were ordinary Japanese civilians&#8230;.once they came to China they took on the role of invaders.&#8221; A follow-up article was written by a reporter sent to the county who found that local government was forcing local businesses to put up signs in Japanese and that &#8220;most young Chinese women here aspire to marry Japanese men&#8221; with many women even divorcing their husbands and abandoning their children to go abroad.</p>
<p>Although the articles are not always very explicit about the &#8216;appropriate&#8217; way to view Japan and China&#8217;s history with it, they give a pretty good implicit view of the state of the paper&#8217;s attitudes, though obviously not those of all Chinese.</p>
<p>I rather wish the paper had managed to dig up a picture of this monument, since I would like to see it and what it says. The first article points out that &#8220;many countries, including China, view the erection of  monuments as a symbolic way to praise certain aspects of a country&#8217;s culture or history.&#8221; That&#8217;s not actually true, since in lots of countries monuments are intended to memorialize things, some good, some bad, and some mixed. The line about the settlers being ordinary Japanese gave me hope that the &#8216;mixed&#8217; might apply in this case, but I can&#8217;t tell without seeing the monument.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.froginawell.net/china/2011/10/those-who-keep-remembering-the-past/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>4</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Managing History in China</title>
		<link>http://www.froginawell.net/china/2011/05/managing-history-in-china/</link>
		<comments>http://www.froginawell.net/china/2011/05/managing-history-in-china/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2011 11:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alan Baumler</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Archaeology]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Current Events]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Public History]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.froginawell.net/china/?p=2274</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[	
	<span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Adc&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Focoins.info%3Agenerator&amp;rft.title=Managing+History+in+China&amp;rft.aulast=Baumler&amp;rft.aufirst=Alan&amp;rft.subject=Archaeology&amp;rft.subject=Current+Events&amp;rft.subject=Public+History&amp;rft.source=%E4%BA%95%E5%BA%95%E4%B9%8B%E8%9B%99&amp;rft.date=2011-05-20&amp;rft.type=blogPost&amp;rft.format=text&amp;rft.identifier=http://www.froginawell.net/china/2011/05/managing-history-in-china/&amp;rft.language=English"></span>
Historic Preservation is the process of  preserving historic stuff, mostly building and sites. China has lots of history. 5,000 years of it, in fact. Historical Preservation, or Cultural Resources Management, or whatever you want to call it is something they have less of as shown by recent events in the Great Within. Basically, the Beijing [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	
	<span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Adc&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Focoins.info%3Agenerator&amp;rft.title=Managing+History+in+China&amp;rft.aulast=Baumler&amp;rft.aufirst=Alan&amp;rft.subject=Archaeology&amp;rft.subject=Current+Events&amp;rft.subject=Public+History&amp;rft.source=%E4%BA%95%E5%BA%95%E4%B9%8B%E8%9B%99&amp;rft.date=2011-05-20&amp;rft.type=blogPost&amp;rft.format=text&amp;rft.identifier=http://www.froginawell.net/china/2011/05/managing-history-in-china/&amp;rft.language=English"></span>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historic_preservation">Historic Preservation</a> is the process of  preserving historic stuff, mostly building and sites. China has lots of history. 5,000 years of it, in fact. Historical Preservation, or Cultural Resources Management, or whatever you want to call it is something they have less of as shown by recent events in the Great Within. Basically, the Beijing Forbidden City Cultural Development Company has been accused of setting up a special club for rich people inside the <a href="http://china.globaltimes.cn/society/2011-05/656646.html">Forbidden City</a>.</p>
<p>Preserving the past is tricky, since it is sometimes hard to figure out what needs to be preserved. It is also sometimes hard to figure out what &#8216;preserving&#8217; might mean. It could mean &#8216;don&#8217;t touch anything&#8217; but in practice somebody has to touch things in order to maintain them, and people do have to get in to look at things, or else what&#8217;s the point?</p>
<p>Even at this level things are more complected that you might think. What exactly -is- this site?  Versailles would not be itself without the gardens, but the park just to the west of the Forbidden City, once considered part of the grounds, was taken over by s<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhongnanhai">quatters</a> in 1949. Do they have to be driven out and the pristine park of the past re-created? <sup><a href="http://www.froginawell.net/china/2011/05/managing-history-in-china/#footnote_0_2274" id="identifier_0_2274" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="There are also lots of pasts in various places. Which aspect of the palace are you trying to preserve? As I recall the Forbidden City (and it&amp;#8217;s been a few years) they seem to push a pretty a-historical view of a timeless palace, saying nothing about the Republic and running the Ming and Qing together.">1</a></sup></p>
<p>The big problem though is money. History and the National Essence are priceless, and thus can&#8217;t be connected to money, which is dirty. No gift shops. No tacky tourist stuff. No guards in fake old uniforms. Pure, un-commercialized history. That of course is bunk. Every historical site sells stuff, in part because they need the cash and in part because the broad masses want it and helping people connect with the past is what these places do, and buying stuff is part of that. Also, your guests are humans. They need to eat and drink, and they enjoy both of these things a lot. The more of that you let them do it while looking at the history the better they will like it. So maybe some selling things is o.k., but you need to keep it tasteful.  So part of running a historical site is making money, but making it look like you are above money.<sup><a href="http://www.froginawell.net/china/2011/05/managing-history-in-china/#footnote_1_2274" id="identifier_1_2274" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" Even if you could get the money out of the site that would just mean  asking for more from the state or some sort of foundation. ">2</a></sup></p>
<p>This is particularly important when you are running something like the Forbidden City, a Top Class #1 tourist draw and source of national pride. Some time ago <a href="http://wikileaksnews.net/forbidden-city-hit-by-rich-club-scandal.html">they</a> drove Starbucks out of the palace. This struck most of my students as a good thing. We would not let commerce sully the Lincoln Memorial, why should the Chinese let money into the Forbidden City? Having been there I point out that the palace is enormous, and that having a few places to get a drink or buy some postcards or get a popsicle makes it a lot better. Hiring it out to a foreign company defiles the purity of the Chinese nation, however,  so it had to go.</p>
<p>The current brouhaha has something to do with lack of professionalism on the part of China&#8217;s Historical Preservation Financial Asset Management Teams.  Lots of foreign museums rent out space for parties or whatever. You just need to do it with a bit of class. China has a distinct lack of old money, so this is a problem. Good Cultural Managers can help with this by providing a touch of distinction to a commercial transaction, but unfortunately the ones at the Forbidden City can&#8217;t even manage a grammatically correct press <a href="http://www.eeo.com.cn/ens/observations/2011/05/19/201660.shtml">statement</a>. Of course it also has something to do with class resentments in contemporary China. If the Forbidden City belongs to the Chinese people why are some Chinese people getting to party there and the rest being stuck making electronics in Shenzhen? Plus given what I can find out online  about the entertainment habits of Chinese rich people I&#8217;m guessing that the club does not run to dry white wine and chamber music. Massive amounts of vile booze and lots of ladies of negotiable virtue sounds more likely.</p>
<p>Finally, I must add that I am a little disappointed with the Beijing Forbidden City Cultural Development Company. I could forgive the   for prostituting China&#8217;s cultural heritage or being sub-literates, but their &#8216;vengeance&#8217; against the whistleblowers is pathetic. Firing people and confiscating a few <a href="http://china.globaltimes.cn/society/2011-05/656646.html">cellphones</a>?  This is the Forbidden City!  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empress_Dowager_Cixi">Cixi </a>plotted here, as did <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wei_Zhongxian">Wei Zhongxian</a>, and there are such things as standards. Couldn&#8217;t they boil someone alive and serve the broth in the restaurant, or exile someone to Xinjiang, or something?</p>
<p>I got this from <a href="http://granitestudio.org/2011/04/10/dylan-in-beijing-final-thoughts-and-a-bit-of-a-rant/">Jeremiah Jenne</a>, who I note left Beijing just before this whole thing blew up.</p>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_2274" class="footnote">There are also lots of pasts in various places. Which aspect of the palace are you trying to preserve? As I recall the Forbidden City (and it&#8217;s been a few years) they seem to push a pretty a-historical view of a timeless palace, saying nothing about the Republic and running the Ming and Qing together.</li><li id="footnote_1_2274" class="footnote"> Even if you could get the money out of the site that would just mean  asking for more from the state or some sort of foundation. </li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.froginawell.net/china/2011/05/managing-history-in-china/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>0</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Zhang San and Li Si&#8217;s Excellent Adventure</title>
		<link>http://www.froginawell.net/china/2011/04/zhang-san-and-li-sis-excellent-adventure/</link>
		<comments>http://www.froginawell.net/china/2011/04/zhang-san-and-li-sis-excellent-adventure/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 12:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alan Baumler</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Culture]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Current Events]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[English]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Public History]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.froginawell.net/china/?p=2226</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[	
	<span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Adc&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Focoins.info%3Agenerator&amp;rft.title=Zhang+San+and+Li+Si%26%238217%3Bs+Excellent+Adventure&amp;rft.aulast=Baumler&amp;rft.aufirst=Alan&amp;rft.subject=Culture&amp;rft.subject=Current+Events&amp;rft.subject=English&amp;rft.subject=Public+History&amp;rft.source=%E4%BA%95%E5%BA%95%E4%B9%8B%E8%9B%99&amp;rft.date=2011-04-15&amp;rft.type=blogPost&amp;rft.format=text&amp;rft.identifier=http://www.froginawell.net/china/2011/04/zhang-san-and-li-sis-excellent-adventure/&amp;rft.language=English"></span>
China Hush reports that the Chinese film and TV industries have been ordered to stop making time-travel dramas, on the grounds that &#8220;The producers and writers are treating the serious history in a frivolous way, which should by no means be encouraged anymore.&#8221; I find this convenient if wrong-headed. Convenient because while Americans may talk [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	
	<span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Adc&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Focoins.info%3Agenerator&amp;rft.title=Zhang+San+and+Li+Si%26%238217%3Bs+Excellent+Adventure&amp;rft.aulast=Baumler&amp;rft.aufirst=Alan&amp;rft.subject=Culture&amp;rft.subject=Current+Events&amp;rft.subject=English&amp;rft.subject=Public+History&amp;rft.source=%E4%BA%95%E5%BA%95%E4%B9%8B%E8%9B%99&amp;rft.date=2011-04-15&amp;rft.type=blogPost&amp;rft.format=text&amp;rft.identifier=http://www.froginawell.net/china/2011/04/zhang-san-and-li-sis-excellent-adventure/&amp;rft.language=English"></span>
<p>China Hush <a href="http://www.chinahush.com/2011/04/03/no-more-time-travel-drama-authority-says-it-disrespects-history/">reports</a> that the Chinese film and TV industries have been ordered to stop making time-travel dramas, on the grounds that &#8220;The producers and writers are treating the serious history in a frivolous way, which should by no means be encouraged anymore.&#8221;</p>
<p>I find this convenient if wrong-headed. Convenient because while Americans may talk about what what our history means to us it is hard to pin down what historical orthodoxy is. China makes it easy. Wrong-headed because the Chinese government is very big on encouraging young Chinese to identify with &#8220;5,000 Years of Chinese History.&#8221; Getting people to do that is actually hard, and time travel might help.</p>
<p>David Lowenthal talks about time travel stories in <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Past-Foreign-Country-David-Lowenthal/dp/0521294800"><em>The Past is a Foreign Country</em></a>. Modern science fiction stories are only the tip of the iceberg, as there are countless stories of a knock on the head, a strange dream or a pact with the devil sending people to the past. Although lots of these stories are about about how you can use your amazing knowledge to make <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096874/">money gambling, or fix the present</a> or whatever, many of them deal with how disconcerting and foreign the past is. In some stories you can&#8217;t talk to people, they may kill you for being a heretic, or you might starve to death. In any case, you will almost certainly want to go home. I have not watched any of these TV dramas, but all of them seem to open with the past being frightening and dangerous, but with the hero eventually finding their feet and, of course, true love. This would seem to be good from a Chinese nationalist perspective, since all these people are traveling to a past that is supposed to be &#8216;theirs.&#8217; If Americans want to go a long way into the past we visit <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Connecticut_Yankee_in_King_Arthur%27s_Court">King Arthur&#8217;s court</a>, which is obviously in a foreign country, and thus if we don&#8217;t identify with it and have to kill everyone to liberate them, that&#8217;s o.k. Chinese kids should -like- visiting Ancient China Land, and apparently they do.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/clip_image0028.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-2237" title="clip_image0028" src="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/clip_image0028-238x300.jpg" alt="" width="238" height="300" /></a></p>
<p>Needless to say there are some serious problems. The past is really different from the present in ways that are being ignored in these stories. Sex and lust were probably the same things in the Qin Dynasty as now, but love? I doubt many people are learning much about the past as it is understood by historians from these shows. On the other hand, the official line seems to be that history is a nationalistic catechism to be memorized, respected, and bored by. That&#8217;s even worse. The article also reports that there is to be a ban on productions of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Great_Classical_Novels">Four Classic Novels</a>. Again, the problem is apparently a lack of respect for the treasures of Chinese culture, and you can see the point. If you let the current generation of Chinese youth get their hands on these stories they might portray the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Wukong">Monkey King </a>as some sort of  turbulent troublemaker or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Kui_%28Water_Margin%29">Li Gui</a> as a drunken hoodlum. Heck they might even imply that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jia_Baoyu">Baoyu</a> was gay! Far better to stick these stories in boring classrooms and museums than to risk what might happen to them in the present.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Via Jeremiah Jenne</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.froginawell.net/china/2011/04/zhang-san-and-li-sis-excellent-adventure/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>1</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Private views of Chinese history</title>
		<link>http://www.froginawell.net/china/2010/06/private-views-of-chinese-history/</link>
		<comments>http://www.froginawell.net/china/2010/06/private-views-of-chinese-history/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 13:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alan Baumler</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[English]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Maoist era (1949-1976)]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Post-Mao]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Public History]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Republican]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Sino-Japanese Wars]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[War]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.froginawell.net/china/?p=1819</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[	
	<span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Adc&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Focoins.info%3Agenerator&amp;rft.title=Private+views+of+Chinese+history&amp;rft.aulast=Baumler&amp;rft.aufirst=Alan&amp;rft.subject=English&amp;rft.subject=Maoist+era+%281949-1976%29&amp;rft.subject=Post-Mao&amp;rft.subject=Public+History&amp;rft.subject=Republican&amp;rft.subject=Sino-Japanese+Wars&amp;rft.subject=War&amp;rft.source=%E4%BA%95%E5%BA%95%E4%B9%8B%E8%9B%99&amp;rft.date=2010-06-18&amp;rft.type=blogPost&amp;rft.format=text&amp;rft.identifier=http://www.froginawell.net/china/2010/06/private-views-of-chinese-history/&amp;rft.language=English"></span>
Recently I went to the Jianchuan museums, which are in Anren, just outside Chengdu. It is an interesting place first because it is huge, financed by mogul Fan Jianchuan, and second because it is a private museum, something not very common in China. The place is covers a lot of ground, and there are, or [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	
	<span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Adc&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Focoins.info%3Agenerator&amp;rft.title=Private+views+of+Chinese+history&amp;rft.aulast=Baumler&amp;rft.aufirst=Alan&amp;rft.subject=English&amp;rft.subject=Maoist+era+%281949-1976%29&amp;rft.subject=Post-Mao&amp;rft.subject=Public+History&amp;rft.subject=Republican&amp;rft.subject=Sino-Japanese+Wars&amp;rft.subject=War&amp;rft.source=%E4%BA%95%E5%BA%95%E4%B9%8B%E8%9B%99&amp;rft.date=2010-06-18&amp;rft.type=blogPost&amp;rft.format=text&amp;rft.identifier=http://www.froginawell.net/china/2010/06/private-views-of-chinese-history/&amp;rft.language=English"></span>
<p><!-- 		@page { margin: 0.79in } 		P { margin-bottom: 0.08in } --></p>
<p>Recently I went to the <a href="http://www.jc-museum.cn/en/intro.asp">Jianchuan</a> museums, which are in Anren, just outside Chengdu. It is an interesting place first because it is huge, financed by mogul Fan Jianchuan, and second because it is a private museum, something not very common in China.</p>
<p>The place is covers a lot of ground, and there are, or soon will be buildings showcasing West Sichuan folk customs, footbinding, traditional houses, and the response to the Wenchuan earthquake of 2008. They are already working on the building for the last of these, and some of the artifacts are sitting outside.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/car.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-1823" title="car" src="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/car-300x225.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="225" /></a></p>
<p>The biggest and most interesting sections are on the War with Japan and the Red Years.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">The War buildings (there are several) are strongly nationalistic (it is glorious to die for the homeland, etc) and pretty popular with the Chinese visitors. The war also gets some of the most striking installations, including a display of the handprints of 300 veterans and statues of 200 heroes of the war (mostly generals and commanders of various sorts.)<a href="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/hand.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-1824" title="hand" src="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/hand-225x300.jpg" alt="" width="225" height="300" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Statues.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-1825" title="Statues" src="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Statues-1024x768.jpg" alt="" width="1024" height="768" /></a></p>
<p>Both of them sort of reminded me of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington, in that they rely on the effect of masses of individuals (each of the handprints and statues has an inscription telling you who it is.) The statues also remind me somewhat of Qin Shihuang&#8217;s terracotta warriors, although having been given names and not being in such strict ranks they are more individualized.<sup><a href="http://www.froginawell.net/china/2010/06/private-views-of-chinese-history/#footnote_0_1819" id="identifier_0_1819" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="Also, like Qin Shihuang himself, they are on top of a relief map of China.">1</a></sup></p>
<p><span id="more-1819"></span></p>
<p>The interpretation of the war focuses primarily on heroism and sacrifice. There is not much interpretation of how the war progressed or what happened in it, just endless scenes of sacrifice and combat. There is a whole building on the Nationalist armies, which is unusual, and they are credited with having killed a million Japanese while suffering over three million casualties. American aid and the Flying Tigers also get a building, and their contributions are listed.</p>
<p>The museums in general are not overflowing with artifacts, although they do have a few.<a href="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Gun.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-1827" title="Gun" src="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Gun-300x225.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="225" /></a></p>
<p>Mostly they rely on pictures, like this one of an ambulance team of monks</p>
<p><a href="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/monks.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-1828" title="monks" src="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/monks-300x225.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="225" /></a></p>
<p>Or this injured boyscout.<a href="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Scout.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-1830" title="Scout" src="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Scout-300x225.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="225" /></a></p>
<p>There are a lot of pictures blown up on the walls with a 3-D element, like this</p>
<p><a href="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Jian-GMD1.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-1831" title="Jian-GMD1" src="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Jian-GMD1.jpg" alt="" width="700" height="452" /></a></p>
<p>There are also a number of somewhat interactive exhibits, like a tunnel for tunnel warfare, and the Flying Tiger bar where you can have a beer and feel just like an American. (I passed.)<a href="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/bar.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-1826" title="bar" src="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/bar-225x300.jpg" alt="" width="225" height="300" /></a></p>
<p>The Red Years section has some installations<a href="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Redwall.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-1832" title="Redwall" src="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Redwall-300x225.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="225" /></a></p>
<p>but mostly it focuses on what life was like in the Mao years, emphasizing both the idealism and the over-politicization of the period. So we get things like a bedstead that greets you with Mao quotes when you wake up,<a href="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Bed.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-1833" title="Bed" src="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Bed-1024x768.jpg" alt="" width="1024" height="768" /></a></p>
<p>and a piano which defends itself from charges of being bourgeois by proclaiming that art must serve the  workers, peasants and soldiers.<a href="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Piano.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-1834" title="Piano" src="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Piano-1024x768.jpg" alt="" width="1024" height="768" /></a></p>
<p>The exhibits are about as critical of the Mao years as I have ever seen in China, although not of Mao personally. The porcelain exhibit explicitly criticizes the politicization of teacups, emphasizes the continuing class nature (and poverty) of Maoist society by explaining which classes of people could afford what, and compares having an image of Mao in your house was like having a Bodhisattva around in the old society.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Porce.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-1835" title="Porce" src="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Porce-1024x768.jpg" alt="" width="1024" height="768" /></a>As close as you get to really explicit criticism is the hallway where you exit the Daily Life building, were you walk over a list of the years of the Cultural Revolution as slogans are shouted overhead. <a href="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/hall.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-1836" title="hall" src="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/hall-768x1024.jpg" alt="" width="768" height="1024" /></a></p>
<p>The museums take on the Mao years is a little on the schizophrenic side. The texts keep emphasizing the contradiction between idealism and chaos, and there is a picture of Fan Jinchuan himself in Inner Mongolia striking his best Lei Feng pose. What might strike the young people coming to look at it most is the poverty of the old society.</p>
<p>I suspect the place is going to become more political, as they are currently working on buildings on the Great Leap and China&#8217;s Famine. I can&#8217;t imagine how you could deal with those without some fairly explicit criticism. The place is well worth seeing. Most Chinese historic sites focus on a fairly abstract traditional period or the straight revolutionary narrative. This is one that goes a good deal further.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Leap.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-1837" title="Leap" src="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Leap-1024x768.jpg" alt="" width="1024" height="768" /></a></p>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_1819" class="footnote">Also, like Qin Shihuang himself, they are on top of a relief map of China.</li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.froginawell.net/china/2010/06/private-views-of-chinese-history/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>3</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>What do you really think Mr. Jiang?</title>
		<link>http://www.froginawell.net/china/2009/10/what-do-you-really-think-mr-jiang/</link>
		<comments>http://www.froginawell.net/china/2009/10/what-do-you-really-think-mr-jiang/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 07:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alan Baumler</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Current Events]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[English]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Public History]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Religion]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Tang]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.froginawell.net/china/?p=1540</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[	
	<span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Adc&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Focoins.info%3Agenerator&amp;rft.title=What+do+you+really+think+Mr.+Jiang%3F&amp;rft.aulast=Baumler&amp;rft.aufirst=Alan&amp;rft.subject=Current+Events&amp;rft.subject=English&amp;rft.subject=Public+History&amp;rft.subject=Religion&amp;rft.subject=Tang&amp;rft.source=%E4%BA%95%E5%BA%95%E4%B9%8B%E8%9B%99&amp;rft.date=2009-10-07&amp;rft.type=blogPost&amp;rft.format=text&amp;rft.identifier=http://www.froginawell.net/china/2009/10/what-do-you-really-think-mr-jiang/&amp;rft.language=English"></span>
Chinese museums are one of the best places to look at the changing interpretation of historical figures and events. Last weekend I went to Famen temple outside Xian. This was a fairly major temple in the Tang, being much visited by emperors, but by the Song they were supporting themselves by offering baths in a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	
	<span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Adc&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Focoins.info%3Agenerator&amp;rft.title=What+do+you+really+think+Mr.+Jiang%3F&amp;rft.aulast=Baumler&amp;rft.aufirst=Alan&amp;rft.subject=Current+Events&amp;rft.subject=English&amp;rft.subject=Public+History&amp;rft.subject=Religion&amp;rft.subject=Tang&amp;rft.source=%E4%BA%95%E5%BA%95%E4%B9%8B%E8%9B%99&amp;rft.date=2009-10-07&amp;rft.type=blogPost&amp;rft.format=text&amp;rft.identifier=http://www.froginawell.net/china/2009/10/what-do-you-really-think-mr-jiang/&amp;rft.language=English"></span>
<p><!-- 		@page { margin: 0.79in } 		P { margin-bottom: 0.08in } --></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">Chinese museums are one of the best places to look at the changing interpretation of historical figures and events. Last weekend I went to<a href="http://www.famensi.com/"> Famen</a> temple outside Xian. This was a fairly major temple in the Tang, being much visited by emperors, but by the Song they were supporting themselves by offering baths in a pool that seated up to 1000 and holding tea parties. The main pagoda was rebuilt in the early Ming, but the place seems to have declined a lot by then.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">That all changed in 1981,when half of the Ming pagoda collapsed.<img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-1541" title="Collapse" src="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Collapse-225x300.jpg" alt="Collapse" width="225" height="300" /></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">When digging out the foundation to re-build the pagoda they found the relic the temple was originally built around, a bone of the Buddha, inside a series of ornate caskets and accompanied by a bunch of other neat stuff. It is a really magnificent find, and it was nice to see some of these things in person.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-1542" title="Rel1" src="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Rel1-300x225.jpg" alt="Rel1" width="300" height="225" /></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">Of course this changed the temple&#8217;s position in the Buddhist world radically. In addition to re-building the pagoda a huge new Buddhist center was built next to it. You need a better camera than mine to do it justice. You come in through a massive golden gateway, which makes you expect to see Cecil B. DeMille around somewhere.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><img class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-1543" title="Gate1" src="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Gate1-1024x768.jpg" alt="Gate1" width="1024" height="768" /></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">It is a long walk to the main hall, and most people take the trolley. You whiz past a series of 3-story tall golden fiberglass<sup><a href="http://www.froginawell.net/china/2009/10/what-do-you-really-think-mr-jiang/#footnote_0_1540" id="identifier_0_1540" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="I assume">1</a></sup> Buddhas that represent the different sects of world Buddhism, and get to the main hall, which is in the shape of a pair of praying hands, and was designed by a Taiwanese architect. I suspect a lot of Taiwanese and Japanese money went into this place. They bought out an entire village to get the land, and the villagers mostly work in the temple cleaning up or whatever. The one I talked to got 600 yuan and 3 days off a month. The place is not entirely finished yet, and when it is done there will be a Buddhist retreat center and they hope to rival the Terracotta Warriors as the biggest tourist draw in the province.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-1546" title="Hands" src="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Hands-225x300.jpg" alt="Hands" width="225" height="300" /></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">What really interested me, of course, were the relics and the museum. The presentation was a little schizophrenic, perhaps because current policy is a little schizophrenic. On the one hand China is still officially more or less atheist. On the other hand, Buddhism is part of China&#8217;s 5000 glorious years of glorious culture. How to deal with this?</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">Not all the relics were there, but those that were were mostly presented as examples of the exquisite craftsmanship and high technology of China. There is also a fair amount about Buddhism. In discussing the Tang emperor&#8217;s worship of the bone the text mentions that it had the beneficial effects of solidifying state power, (always an unalloyed good), <span style="font-family: Arial Unicode MS;">凝聚人心 </span>(which they translate as “increasing the cohesive force of the Chinese nation”) and spreading culture. On the other hand it also led to a great waste of society&#8217;s resources, and also increased the people&#8217;s religious fanaticism. These critiques sound eerily similar to Han Yu&#8217;s criticism of the finger bone when it was first brought to Chang-an. As a good Neo-Confucian <a href="http://acc6.its.brooklyn.cuny.edu/~phalsall/texts/hanyu.html">Han Yu </a>thought Buddhism complete nonsense that deluded the people</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">Of course Han Yu was not reckoning with the power of the tourist dollar, and he also had a somewhat different view of what is worth preserving in Chinese culture than the current government does. The Nationalist general who restored the temple in 1939 is praised in the exhibit, as is the monk who burned himself to death to protect it during the Cultural Revolution. The monk probably had a religious view of the place, and the general a cultural one. The latter seems more of a fit with the current interpretation. There is, of course, an inscription by Jiang Zemin, done when he came here in 1993. He encourages them to use the cultural relics that have been unearthed to expand Chinese culture and strengthen the spirit of patriotism. Apparently as long as religion is subsumed in culture and culture is put in the service of the nation, the Buddha is just alright.<img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-1545" title="Jiang" src="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Jiang-225x300.jpg" alt="Jiang" width="225" height="300" /></p>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_1540" class="footnote">I assume</li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.froginawell.net/china/2009/10/what-do-you-really-think-mr-jiang/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>0</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Distressing China</title>
		<link>http://www.froginawell.net/china/2009/09/distressing-china/</link>
		<comments>http://www.froginawell.net/china/2009/09/distressing-china/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 06:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alan Baumler</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Public History]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.froginawell.net/china/?p=1511</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[	
	<span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Adc&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Focoins.info%3Agenerator&amp;rft.title=Distressing+China&amp;rft.aulast=Baumler&amp;rft.aufirst=Alan&amp;rft.subject=Public+History&amp;rft.source=%E4%BA%95%E5%BA%95%E4%B9%8B%E8%9B%99&amp;rft.date=2009-09-22&amp;rft.type=blogPost&amp;rft.format=text&amp;rft.identifier=http://www.froginawell.net/china/2009/09/distressing-china/&amp;rft.language=English"></span>
Xian has a historical district. Actually it has several, and all of them are sort of new. I was not here 20 years ago, but I assume like elsewhere in China the major tourist sights like the Wild Goose Pagoda were here, and you could go into them but right around them would be just [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	
	<span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Adc&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Focoins.info%3Agenerator&amp;rft.title=Distressing+China&amp;rft.aulast=Baumler&amp;rft.aufirst=Alan&amp;rft.subject=Public+History&amp;rft.source=%E4%BA%95%E5%BA%95%E4%B9%8B%E8%9B%99&amp;rft.date=2009-09-22&amp;rft.type=blogPost&amp;rft.format=text&amp;rft.identifier=http://www.froginawell.net/china/2009/09/distressing-china/&amp;rft.language=English"></span>
<p><!-- 		@page { margin: 0.79in } 		P { margin-bottom: 0.08in } --></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">Xian has a historical district. Actually it has several, and all of them are sort of new. I was not here 20 years ago, but I assume like elsewhere in China the major tourist sights like the Wild Goose Pagoda were here, and you could go into them but right around them would be just an ordinary Chinese neighborhood. This wa<span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">s not a good way to benefit from tourism, so a lot of of these “historic” districts have sprung up. They seem to be getting better at it. One that interested me is the  one outside the Forest of Steles (</span><span style="font-family: Arial Unicode MS;"><span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">碑林</span></span><span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">) </span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span id="more-1511"></span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">You don&#8217;t see a lot of foreigners there, since the Forest of Steles is a bunch of big stones with Chinese inscriptions that are all in Chinese. The shopping street seems to be aimed mostly at Chinese tourists, since they sell a lot of calligraphy supplies and such that would perhaps not interest foreigners. They have classical poems written on the ground, which would also not make sense to <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Nineteen-Ways-Looking-Wang-Wei/dp/0918825148">most</a> foreigners. <img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-1513" title="Wang wei" src="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Wang-wei-300x225.jpg" alt="Wang wei" width="300" height="225" /></span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">Still, if your main target is tourists some things are always the same Chinese or foreign. Lots of traditional-looking buildings, narrow streets, etc. <img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-1514" title="Stele street" src="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Stele-street-300x225.jpg" alt="Stele street" width="300" height="225" /></span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">This one is more recent and a bit better done than some of the others. As I have discussed <a href="http://www.froginawell.net/china/2007/06/china-reconstructs/#more-267 ">before</a>, many Chinese sights are much more obviously reconstructed than would be accepted in the West. Xian&#8217;s historic district seems to be a bit later (completed in 2009) and they seem to have worked at making things look more authentically old. These hitching posts look weathered. <img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-1517" title="Hitch" src="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Hitch-225x300.jpg" alt="Hitch" width="225" height="300" /></span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">I think they may have planted grass on this roof, since it takes a while to grow.<sup><a href="http://www.froginawell.net/china/2009/09/distressing-china/#footnote_0_1511" id="identifier_0_1511" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="Sorry for the pictures, by the way. It was pouring rain">1</a></sup><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-1518" title="Grass roof" src="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Grass-roof-300x225.jpg" alt="Grass roof" width="300" height="225" /></span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">Here is a signpost that is really odd. The top of it looks &#8220;old&#8221; but the middle section looks like it has been repaired with concrete. <img class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-1519" title="Old sign" src="http://www.froginawell.net/china/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Old-sign-768x1024.jpg" alt="Old sign" width="768" height="1024" /><br />
</span>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">In fact the whole thing is brand new, as far as I can tell. It seems that what Chinese want for &#8220;past -y ness&#8221; is starting to become more &#8216;authentic&#8217; or at least more like what you find elsewhere.<br />
</span></p>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_1511" class="footnote">Sorry for the pictures, by the way. It was pouring rain</li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.froginawell.net/china/2009/09/distressing-china/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>3</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Show me the money</title>
		<link>http://www.froginawell.net/china/2008/06/show-me-the-money/</link>
		<comments>http://www.froginawell.net/china/2008/06/show-me-the-money/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 14:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alan Baumler</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[English]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Identity]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Maoist era (1949-1976)]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Nationalism]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Public History]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Republican]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[visual culture]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.froginawell.net/china/?p=439</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[	
	<span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Adc&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Focoins.info%3Agenerator&amp;rft.title=Show+me+the+money&amp;rft.aulast=Baumler&amp;rft.aufirst=Alan&amp;rft.subject=English&amp;rft.subject=Identity&amp;rft.subject=Maoist+era+%281949-1976%29&amp;rft.subject=Nationalism&amp;rft.subject=Public+History&amp;rft.subject=Republican&amp;rft.subject=visual+culture&amp;rft.source=%E4%BA%95%E5%BA%95%E4%B9%8B%E8%9B%99&amp;rft.date=2008-06-07&amp;rft.type=blogPost&amp;rft.format=text&amp;rft.identifier=http://www.froginawell.net/china/2008/06/show-me-the-money/&amp;rft.language=English"></span>
From the Times via CDT an article about a group of Chinese intellectuals who are asking for some new people to be put on Chinese currency. This is actually a big issue, since who nations put on their money is a political statement of some importance.1 The list of suggested people is pretty interesting. They [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	
	<span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Adc&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Focoins.info%3Agenerator&amp;rft.title=Show+me+the+money&amp;rft.aulast=Baumler&amp;rft.aufirst=Alan&amp;rft.subject=English&amp;rft.subject=Identity&amp;rft.subject=Maoist+era+%281949-1976%29&amp;rft.subject=Nationalism&amp;rft.subject=Public+History&amp;rft.subject=Republican&amp;rft.subject=visual+culture&amp;rft.source=%E4%BA%95%E5%BA%95%E4%B9%8B%E8%9B%99&amp;rft.date=2008-06-07&amp;rft.type=blogPost&amp;rft.format=text&amp;rft.identifier=http://www.froginawell.net/china/2008/06/show-me-the-money/&amp;rft.language=English"></span>
<p>From the <a href="http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/poetry/article4083282.ece">Times</a> via CDT an article about a group of Chinese intellectuals who are asking for some new people to be put on Chinese currency. This is actually a big issue, since who nations put on their money is a political statement of some importance.<sup><a href="http://www.froginawell.net/china/2008/06/show-me-the-money/#footnote_0_439" id="identifier_0_439" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="I&amp;#8217;ve always thought that American money had remained stuck in the 19th century because of a lack of national confidence. If someone did suggest changing our money some Democrat would probably suggest putting MLK on there and Republicans would go nuts about political correctness. Easier to stick with Jackson. Plus, if we went with more modern designs and colors like most of the world has done in might turn us gay.">1</a></sup> The list of suggested people is pretty interesting. They are suggesting Qu Yuan, Li Bai, Yue Fei, and Wen Tianxiang. The Times calls Qu Yuan a poet, which he was, but of course he was much better known as a protester against political corruption. Li Bai is the &#8220;pure&#8221; poet in the group, and Yue Fei and Wen Tianxiang are both straight nationalist figures who died resisting foreign interference in China&#8217;s internal affairs. It is a well-thought out list (Not all Mao, but nationalistic enough to pass muster) and I wish them luck, but I suspect not much will change. Chinese money has always been very focused on politicians.</p>
<p><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3035/2558515614_781da6bbe5.jpg?v=0" alt="Sun1" width="500" height="295" /></p>
<p>Sun Yat-sen got most of the face time under the Republic, appearing on all sorts of notes.</p>
<p><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3132/2558515872_3b97b514d4.jpg?v=0" alt="Mao1" width="500" height="248" /></p>
<p>Mao has taken pride of place since.</p>
<p><span id="more-439"></span></p>
<p>Below is a 1945 note with Lin Sen, President of the Republic and one of the very few non-ultimate leader politicians to make it on the money</p>
<p><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3045/2558516042_da95b43ca6.jpg?v=0" alt="Lin1" width="500" height="220" /></p>
<p>A lot of nations will put great heroes of the past on the currency, in part to avoid the whole cult of personality thing. China has not done this much. Below is a Commercial Bank of China note with (I assume) Confucius on it. After May 4th a lot of the great culture heroes were &#8220;Feudal&#8221; and did not work well as symbols of the new nation</p>
<p><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3094/2558516686_3920ab30ab.jpg?v=0" alt="Kong2" width="500" height="274" /></p>
<p>Apparently nobody told the Japanese that, as they liked putting Confucius on the money</p>
<p><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3153/2557692491_66f358c16d.jpg?v=0" alt="Kong1" width="500" height="275" /></p>
<p>One of the puppet governments in North China issued notes with Confucius, the symbol of Chinese culture and Prince Shotoku, symbol of Japanese culture. Supposedly in one of the early versions a Chinese engraver made Confucius flick Prince Shotoku an obscene gesture. Not sure if that story is true, but I hope it is.</p>
<p>To the extent you do get symbols of Traditional China on Chinese money they tend to be abstract and cleaned up by a connection to nationalism, like the note below, with a traditional ritual vessel and Sun Yat-sen</p>
<p><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3077/2557692241_199a50c3be.jpg?v=0" alt="ding1" width="500" height="255" /></p>
<p>Like many other nations China has tried to symbolize the national past with common people, like the Farmer&#8217;s Bank note below.</p>
<p><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3118/2557692801_82202a9f7b.jpg?v=0" alt="nong1" width="500" height="254" /></p>
<p>Below is one from Xinjiang which shows both farming (the canonical occupation for men) and weaving (the canonical occupation for women) Given that Xinjiang was not a very Han place under the Republic they may have been trying to emphasize their Chinese-ness</p>
<p><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3037/2557692963_745d297722.jpg?v=0" alt="Xin1" width="500" height="228" /></p>
<p>Foreign banks could tie themselves to China too, as with the Sino-Scandinavian Bank note below, which emphasizes the great historic links between China and Scandinavia. Frankly I&#8217;m not sure if in the 1920&#8242;s pictures that bring to mind white people coming from across the sea to rob you was the best selling point for a Chinese audience. The bank folded in 1927</p>
<p><img src="http://www.janeriks.no/Banknotes/images/Sino%20f.jpg" alt="Norway1" width="406" height="217" /></p>
<p>Regional banks could of course do national symbols, but a lot of them seem to have done scenic spots to play up local identity, such as the Guangxi note below</p>
<p><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3017/2557693195_38a42abf0e.jpg?v=0" alt="Guang1" width="500" height="238" /></p>
<p>Or this Anhui note, which gives the impression that Anhui does not have much for scenery.</p>
<p><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3004/2557693291_4de1d8bea7.jpg?v=0" alt="An1" width="500" height="294" /></p>
<p>The big theme that comes out if you look at a lot of Chinese money however is modernization. Lots of pictures of how we are making China into a developed country.</p>
<p><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3190/2558517518_088f442399.jpg?v=0" alt="Guang2" width="500" height="297" /></p>
<p>Provincial banks did it, like the Guanxi note above with a road and a building (this is a 1912 note, and they seem to be blurring their political position by putting in all three revolutionary flags) Below is a Guangdong note with yet another modern building.</p>
<p><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3011/2557693717_88e87836df.jpg?v=0" alt="Guang3" width="500" height="255" /></p>
<p>Many of these seem pretty unimpressive today. So China has trains, big deal</p>
<p><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3125/2558517994_b58e1b6e59.jpg?v=0" alt="Jiao1" width="500" height="278" /></p>
<p>Or they seem to emphasize bits of modernization that one might not celebrate, as with this circulating bond to build a new (modern) prison.</p>
<p><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3261/2558518252_a08e2f495a.jpg?v=0" alt="Jail1" width="500" height="316" /></p>
<p>The Communists at first did some fairly radical stuff, as below</p>
<p><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3111/2557694339_769b1d686f.jpg?v=0" alt="Lenin1" width="500" height="291" /></p>
<p>But they pretty soon settled down into doing fairly standard development stuff. (a lot of their pre-1949 notes were actually very traditional and could just as well have been from any provincial bank)</p>
<p><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3065/2558518782_9061c36731.jpg?v=0" alt="Commie1" width="500" height="262" /></p>
<p>But as below, it was Communist development, with the all-important tractor and of course a woman driving it.</p>
<p><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3006/2557694475_d4fdba3d7f.jpg?v=0" alt="Tractor" width="500" height="221" /></p>
<p>The note above has People&#8217;s Bank of China written in lots of minority languages. Minorities get a lot of play since 1976</p>
<p><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3065/2557694943_51b35db99a.jpg?v=0" alt="Commie2" width="500" height="242" /></p>
<p>But it is mostly all Mao all the time. The real issue of course will not be who to put on if we take Mao off some of the notes, it will be will anyone have the nerve to take him off at all.</p>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_439" class="footnote">I&#8217;ve always thought that American money had remained stuck in the 19th century because of a lack of national confidence. If someone did suggest changing our money some Democrat would probably suggest putting MLK on there and Republicans would go nuts about political correctness. Easier to stick with Jackson. Plus, if we went with more modern designs and colors like most of the world has done in might turn us gay.</li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.froginawell.net/china/2008/06/show-me-the-money/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>9</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>&#8220;President&#8221; Chiang Kai-shek</title>
		<link>http://www.froginawell.net/china/2007/06/president-chiang-kai-shek/</link>
		<comments>http://www.froginawell.net/china/2007/06/president-chiang-kai-shek/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alan Baumler</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Civil War]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[English]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Post-Mao]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Public History]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Republican]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.froginawell.net/china/2007/06/president-chiang-kai-shek/</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[	
	<span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Adc&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Focoins.info%3Agenerator&amp;rft.title=%26%238220%3BPresident%26%238221%3B+Chiang+Kai-shek&amp;rft.aulast=Baumler&amp;rft.aufirst=Alan&amp;rft.subject=Civil+War&amp;rft.subject=English&amp;rft.subject=Post-Mao&amp;rft.subject=Public+History&amp;rft.subject=Republican&amp;rft.source=%E4%BA%95%E5%BA%95%E4%B9%8B%E8%9B%99&amp;rft.date=2007-06-15&amp;rft.type=blogPost&amp;rft.format=text&amp;rft.identifier=http://www.froginawell.net/china/2007/06/president-chiang-kai-shek/&amp;rft.language=English"></span>
So, what is the current status of Chiang Kai-shek in China? He is the most troublesome of the Republican era-figures for the mainland to figure out. Anyone who can possibly be called a “democratic personage” i.e. vaguely leftist or progressive or something can be praised. Even warlords can be rehabilitated if they went over to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	
	<span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Adc&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Focoins.info%3Agenerator&amp;rft.title=%26%238220%3BPresident%26%238221%3B+Chiang+Kai-shek&amp;rft.aulast=Baumler&amp;rft.aufirst=Alan&amp;rft.subject=Civil+War&amp;rft.subject=English&amp;rft.subject=Post-Mao&amp;rft.subject=Public+History&amp;rft.subject=Republican&amp;rft.source=%E4%BA%95%E5%BA%95%E4%B9%8B%E8%9B%99&amp;rft.date=2007-06-15&amp;rft.type=blogPost&amp;rft.format=text&amp;rft.identifier=http://www.froginawell.net/china/2007/06/president-chiang-kai-shek/&amp;rft.language=English"></span>
<p class="MsoNormal">So, what is the current status of Chiang Kai-shek in China? He is the most troublesome of the Republican era-figures for the mainland to figure out. Anyone who can possibly be called a “democratic personage” i.e. vaguely leftist or progressive or something can be praised. Even <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Yun">warlords</a> can be rehabilitated if they went over to the Communist side. Chiang was for a long time –the- bad guy of the CCP demonology, but as the Nationalist regime has been re-appraised so has he. This is not really surprising. He was not a Communist. But then economically neither are the current rulers of China. He was not a democrat. Ditto. He ran a fairly corrupt developmental party state, which should not be too difficult to justify. And he fought the Japanese. There is a nice exhibit up on the Nationalist government at the old Presidential Palace in Nanjing. It lays out the structure of the Nationalist government quite well and is pretty non-committal about his anti-communism, although it does point out that he helped defeat the warlords and such. They only really get down on him when they get to 1948. Under Sun Yat-sen’s <a href="http://acc6.its.brooklyn.cuny.edu/~phalsall/texts/sunyat.html">Fundamentals of National Reconstruction</a> China was to go through a series of phases of government. First was military dictatorship. Then a period of political tutelage, where under the direction of the wise party-state the Chinese people would be made ready for the third phase, which was constitutional government. Sun was well aware that just declaring a Republic did not make one happen.</p>
<blockquote><p>In the age of autocracy, the masses of the people were fettered in spirit and body so that emancipation seemed impossible Those who worked for the welfare of the people and were willing to sacrifice themselves for the success of revolution not only did not receive assistance from the people but were also ridiculed and disparaged. Much as they desired to be the guides of the people, they proceeded without followers. Much as they desired to be the vanguards, they advanced without reinforcement. It becomes necessary that., apart from destroying enemy influence, those engaged in revolution should take care to develop the constructive ability of the people. A revolutionary program is therefore indispensable.</p></blockquote>
<p>The displays at the Presidential palace seem quite respectful of Sun’s 5-power constitution, although they don’t talk much about the transition to constitutional rule. Chiang himself kept China in the stage of political tutelage for most of his time in power. As his critics pointed out this amounted to a dictatorship with vague promises of future democracy. At last, in 1947, Chiang moved China into constitutional government. He became President of China on May 20, 1948. This is often seen as the last act of a desperate man, trying to shore up support for a foundering regime. Here on the mainland, however, they seem to take it pretty seriously. The museum here in Nanjing calls him “President” Chiang after this point, with the title in scare quotes. All the institutions of the post-48 government are in quotes. Scare quotes are pretty common in CCP histories.<sup><a href="http://www.froginawell.net/china/2007/06/president-chiang-kai-shek/#footnote_0_270" id="identifier_0_270" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="they can be quite postmodern, those commies">1</a></sup> Institutions of Wang Jingwei’s puppet government are always put into quotes or just called false (<em>wei </em><span style="font-family: SimSun" lang="ZH-CN">伪</span>) Always very important to let people know that someone else’s “democracy” is not the real people’s democracy. What I find interesting is that the museum is willing to grant Chiang legitimacy right up to 1948, apparently. It almost makes him seem like an old dynasty that is presented as having had the Mandate and then, right at the end, having lost it, rather than someone who was always an enemy of the people. Or maybe they just don’t want to say that the &#8217;48 government was China&#8217;s first democracy, which I would probably agree with, although not for the same reasons the CCP would not want to say that.  <span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span>Of course to some extent this is a moot point. I don’t think there is as rigid a central “line” on most historical topics as there used to be, and here in Nanjing in particular you might expect more favorable treatment. Still, I find it interesting to watch the changing reputations of historical figures.</p>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_270" class="footnote">they can be quite postmodern, those commies</li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.froginawell.net/china/2007/06/president-chiang-kai-shek/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>1</slash:comments>
		</item>
	</channel>
</rss>

