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		<title>By: lirelou</title>
		<link>http://www.froginawell.net/korea/2007/03/getting-out-the-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-15698</link>
		<dc:creator>lirelou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy, one indicator of the amount of intelligence coming out of the North is the fact that a sizable opposition to the KIS government had grown up in Hwanghae province that apparently went unreported in US circles. After the Incheon landing and the drive north, U.S. forces simply took for granted that they would remain. After the Chinese surprised them, and drove them south, a general evacuation of Hwanghae began, led by guerrilla bands that would later become the nucleus of the &quot;United Nations Partisan Forces - Korea&quot;. The first that the U.S. Far East Command ever heard of this was in Mar 51, when the Royal Navy discovered swarms of refugees at a Yellow Sea port, whose evacuation was being covered by organized (and armed) guerrilla bands. Later organized into groups advised by what became the U.S. Army&#039;s Special Forces, the Partisans continued to conduct operations behind Communist lines until the end of the war. Their legacy is the islands constituting the Northern Limit Line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy, one indicator of the amount of intelligence coming out of the North is the fact that a sizable opposition to the KIS government had grown up in Hwanghae province that apparently went unreported in US circles. After the Incheon landing and the drive north, U.S. forces simply took for granted that they would remain. After the Chinese surprised them, and drove them south, a general evacuation of Hwanghae began, led by guerrilla bands that would later become the nucleus of the &#8220;United Nations Partisan Forces &#8211; Korea&#8221;. The first that the U.S. Far East Command ever heard of this was in Mar 51, when the Royal Navy discovered swarms of refugees at a Yellow Sea port, whose evacuation was being covered by organized (and armed) guerrilla bands. Later organized into groups advised by what became the U.S. Army&#8217;s Special Forces, the Partisans continued to conduct operations behind Communist lines until the end of the war. Their legacy is the islands constituting the Northern Limit Line.</p>
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		<title>By: Early Modern Notes &#187; History Carnival 50</title>
		<link>http://www.froginawell.net/korea/2007/03/getting-out-the-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-15696</link>
		<dc:creator>Early Modern Notes &#187; History Carnival 50</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 05:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah. KM Lawson considers the run-up to the 1948 election in southern Korea in Getting out the Vote. And, not for the faint-hearted, Orac discusses the Japanese Doctors of Depravity, who carried out [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah. KM Lawson considers the run-up to the 1948 election in southern Korea in Getting out the Vote. And, not for the faint-hearted, Orac discusses the Japanese Doctors of Depravity, who carried out [...]</p>
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		<title>By: K. M. Lawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>K. M. Lawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 07:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Andy,

There were plenty of US reports from the North that I read through, and information coming in from the many refugees flowing south.  Things were ugly up North, and there are good reasons why refugees from the North often became the most die-hard anti-communists and most notorious and violent right-wing elements in the south.  On future trips to the national archives I&#039;ll be spending more time looking at Korean language materials captured in the North (or from Northern forces) during the Korean War.  A. Lankov and C. Armstrong both have great books on early postwar North Korea.  For my own part, I&#039;ll be specifically looking at political retribution in the North against accused collaborators and may post on that here at some point in the future.

I didn&#039;t actually post anything here about Hodge&#039;s appraisal though as I hinted, it is possible that some of his views were incorporated into the summary of the Chang&#039;s.  

The 90% turnout is very suspicious even given the &quot;first vote&quot; aspect of it, given the conditions of May 1948, and I suspect police forces, right-wing &quot;youth&quot; groups etc. played a strong coercive role, along the lines of what Chang is suggesting, in getting people to the polls. Many contemporary sources say as much but things are so politicized it is hard to get a trustworthy overview.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andy,</p>
<p>There were plenty of US reports from the North that I read through, and information coming in from the many refugees flowing south.  Things were ugly up North, and there are good reasons why refugees from the North often became the most die-hard anti-communists and most notorious and violent right-wing elements in the south.  On future trips to the national archives I&#8217;ll be spending more time looking at Korean language materials captured in the North (or from Northern forces) during the Korean War.  A. Lankov and C. Armstrong both have great books on early postwar North Korea.  For my own part, I&#8217;ll be specifically looking at political retribution in the North against accused collaborators and may post on that here at some point in the future.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t actually post anything here about Hodge&#8217;s appraisal though as I hinted, it is possible that some of his views were incorporated into the summary of the Chang&#8217;s.  </p>
<p>The 90% turnout is very suspicious even given the &#8220;first vote&#8221; aspect of it, given the conditions of May 1948, and I suspect police forces, right-wing &#8220;youth&#8221; groups etc. played a strong coercive role, along the lines of what Chang is suggesting, in getting people to the polls. Many contemporary sources say as much but things are so politicized it is hard to get a trustworthy overview.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 06:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize that my last post sounds a little flippant but I am serious. I realize that getting solid facts on what went on up north is difficult, but it would certainly provide some context for what was going on in the  south.

In any case, I am glad that General Hodge was wrong in his appraisal of what was going to happen with the Korean election.  In retrospect, we know that it is pretty common for people to turn out for there first chance to choose their government (as we have seen recently in East Timor, Afghanistan and Iraq).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize that my last post sounds a little flippant but I am serious. I realize that getting solid facts on what went on up north is difficult, but it would certainly provide some context for what was going on in the  south.</p>
<p>In any case, I am glad that General Hodge was wrong in his appraisal of what was going to happen with the Korean election.  In retrospect, we know that it is pretty common for people to turn out for there first chance to choose their government (as we have seen recently in East Timor, Afghanistan and Iraq).</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 06:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would also like to hear some about the &quot;free atmosphere&quot; north of the 38th.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would also like to hear some about the &#8220;free atmosphere&#8221; north of the 38th.</p>
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