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	<title>Comments on: Ethnocentrism and the Origins of Korean Nationalism</title>
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		<title>By: ProudKorean</title>
		<link>http://www.froginawell.net/korea/2007/09/ethnocentrism-and-the-origins-of-korean-nationalism/comment-page-1/#comment-56243</link>
		<dc:creator>ProudKorean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 16:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Koreans are no more nationalistic than any other nationals. Does anyone think that Americans, especially of European descents, aren&#039;t nationalistic? It&#039;s deeply rooted in their Eurocentric and racial superiority complex. They may not show it as overtly as Koreans or other nationals, but, nevetheless, it&#039;s there and manifests in various forms - good, bad, or ugly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Koreans are no more nationalistic than any other nationals. Does anyone think that Americans, especially of European descents, aren&#8217;t nationalistic? It&#8217;s deeply rooted in their Eurocentric and racial superiority complex. They may not show it as overtly as Koreans or other nationals, but, nevetheless, it&#8217;s there and manifests in various forms &#8211; good, bad, or ugly.</p>
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		<title>By: usinkorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>usinkorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 22:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since the homogenity of Korea is so universally accepted, I have to end up questioning it.

It really wasn&#039;t that long ago, historically speaking, that the current northern provinces of the Korean peninsula were held to be different from the southern half of the peninsula.  I don&#039;t remember how long into the Chosun Dynasty it continued, but well into that dynasty, parts or most of what is today North Korea was administered as military districts - not civil - as were the provinces that made up what is today South Korea.  There were also different times where the government encouraged migration up north by freeing slaves or granting higher socio-economic status and whatnot.  I believe even the founder of Chosun himself was from this northern area and considered to have some Manchurian tribal blood running through his veins....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the homogenity of Korea is so universally accepted, I have to end up questioning it.</p>
<p>It really wasn&#8217;t that long ago, historically speaking, that the current northern provinces of the Korean peninsula were held to be different from the southern half of the peninsula.  I don&#8217;t remember how long into the Chosun Dynasty it continued, but well into that dynasty, parts or most of what is today North Korea was administered as military districts &#8211; not civil &#8211; as were the provinces that made up what is today South Korea.  There were also different times where the government encouraged migration up north by freeing slaves or granting higher socio-economic status and whatnot.  I believe even the founder of Chosun himself was from this northern area and considered to have some Manchurian tribal blood running through his veins&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Dresner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Dresner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll have to look up Smith, I suppose: that&#039;s not a terrible distinction, but I have serious questions about &quot;non-arbitrary&quot;, &quot;organic&quot; and &quot;community&quot;.... that&#039;s what comes of being a post-modernist instead of an anti-modernist. 

Were Korean discourses about the West at all a factor in identity formation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll have to look up Smith, I suppose: that&#8217;s not a terrible distinction, but I have serious questions about &#8220;non-arbitrary&#8221;, &#8220;organic&#8221; and &#8220;community&#8221;&#8230;. that&#8217;s what comes of being a post-modernist instead of an anti-modernist. </p>
<p>Were Korean discourses about the West at all a factor in identity formation?</p>
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		<title>By: K. M. Lawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>K. M. Lawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 04:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan: It sounds like your views on nationalism are more along lines such as anti-modernists like Anthony Smith who, while conceding that national&lt;em&gt;ism&lt;/em&gt; is a modern mass political movement, that &lt;em&gt;national identity&lt;/em&gt; is a deeply rooted phenomenon that is based on non-arbitrary organic features of a community. 

The issue of purity and racial theories is interesting.  One of Oguma&#039;s main arguments is that, while it was brought up in debates on race in the Meiji period, the homogeneous nation argument doesn&#039;t became dominant in the discourse until post-1945, with Japan being an example of imperialistic multi-racialism. I wonder if these Meiji period debates on race had an impact on the same group of intellectuals who are debating Korean-ness in the late 19c in Korea.

I forgot to mention why the late 19c vs. 1920s matters.  If the emphasis is placed on the former then it can&#039;t exclusively be anti-Japanese imperialism since scholars were equally concerned about 사대주의(事大主義) towards China on a cultural and intellectual level. It still makes it arguably reactive, but the more dispersed reaction is even more common in the many examples of 19c nationalist movements in Europe.

Baltimoron: I have heard a lot about Wells&#039; book but haven&#039;t had a chance to look at it, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan: It sounds like your views on nationalism are more along lines such as anti-modernists like Anthony Smith who, while conceding that national<em>ism</em> is a modern mass political movement, that <em>national identity</em> is a deeply rooted phenomenon that is based on non-arbitrary organic features of a community. </p>
<p>The issue of purity and racial theories is interesting.  One of Oguma&#8217;s main arguments is that, while it was brought up in debates on race in the Meiji period, the homogeneous nation argument doesn&#8217;t became dominant in the discourse until post-1945, with Japan being an example of imperialistic multi-racialism. I wonder if these Meiji period debates on race had an impact on the same group of intellectuals who are debating Korean-ness in the late 19c in Korea.</p>
<p>I forgot to mention why the late 19c vs. 1920s matters.  If the emphasis is placed on the former then it can&#8217;t exclusively be anti-Japanese imperialism since scholars were equally concerned about 사대주의(事大主義) towards China on a cultural and intellectual level. It still makes it arguably reactive, but the more dispersed reaction is even more common in the many examples of 19c nationalist movements in Europe.</p>
<p>Baltimoron: I have heard a lot about Wells&#8217; book but haven&#8217;t had a chance to look at it, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Baltimoron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baltimoron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 00:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kenneth M. Wells in &quot;New God, New Nation&quot; makes a case for the influence of Protestant Christianity upon both North and South Korean nationalism. He argues that most of the reform movements in peninsular history, including Juche and the Saemaul movement, were offshoots of the missionary work Westerners did in the 19th and 20th Century.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kenneth M. Wells in &#8220;New God, New Nation&#8221; makes a case for the influence of Protestant Christianity upon both North and South Korean nationalism. He argues that most of the reform movements in peninsular history, including Juche and the Saemaul movement, were offshoots of the missionary work Westerners did in the 19th and 20th Century.</p>
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